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their home and take the man she was having a secret affair with his sister-in-law's upcoming wedding. he would not have pursued mother -- murder charges. the hearing was held a month later and the motion was granted by the trial judge, who agreed with lewin's assessment. in november 2021, lubahn's murder conviction was reduced to manslaughter and he was sentenced to six years in state risen, the maximum for voluntary manslaughter at the time carol was killed. later that month he was released from prison, having already served more than 10 years behind bars. as for carol lubahn, remains have yet to be found. that is all for this edition of "dateline." i am craig melvin. thank you for watching. watchin good morning and welcome to "morning joe weekend."
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to 6:00 a.m. on the east coast this saturday morning and we have a lot of news we want to show you from the past week. let's jump right in. the harris/loss campaign is making a key move in michigan and wisconsin, part of the blue wall. the campaign yesterday revealed that it now has 15 field offices in michigan and 48 in wisconsin. yesterday's campaign stop in two states mark harris's fifth trip to michigan this year and her sixth visit to wisconsin. trump narrowly won both states in 2016 while president biden-- joining us now, the national cochair for the harris- walz cafe, mitch landrieu. mitch, there is a lot of joy, a lot of optimism out of the box, and a lot of attacks coming
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from the trunk side. what is the campaign strategy to stay on track and geographically, what is the plan? >> first of all, thank you for having me this morning. you saw the vice president and tim walz in the venue, you saw them in michigan, wisconsin and what you also thought with thousands and thousands of people coming to see them. what has changed in the last 19 days is a lot of energy. honestly, fundraising numbers are through the roof. over $300 million. of course, a huge number of volunteers. nothing really beats organization and hard work. as you noted, the number of times she has been to wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. we have also been for your organizing for this very moment , because we know and we still believe this is a very close race. you know what hasn't changed, donald trump. donald trump is still a convicted felon, sexual abuser, still unfit for the presidency and he is really grabbing for straws right now,
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trying to find a way to make kamala harris and tim walz look bad, but they are having a hard time doing it. >> on the fronts of criminality, be liable for sexual abuse, liable for fraud, convicted in the new york case, i guess a convicted felon, how much of a line does the harris- walz team will to draw on stage? i noticed the crowd starts chanting like him up, and the candidates say, whoa, whoa slowdown. how do you define what is true about donald trump without then engaging in kind of drumming up behavior that perhaps we do not want to see on the campaign trail marks >> i think the vice president did that yesterday. she told the crowd, that is fine. with the courts, they actually
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believe in law and order and the separation of powers and courts doing what they are supposed to do, making sure nobody is above the law. however, the only jury that matters now, the only people that will keep donald trump out of the oval office are the folks out there today and they have to go vote. this will be a very close election, make no mistake about it. we are thrilled with the energy, the money, the volunteers, because this is a fight for the future of america and the vice president has spoken about this with great joy and enthusiasm. this race was about anarchy versus democracy. young or old, it is about the future versus the past, about whether you want to live in a way that lifts people up, or push people down. the fact of the matter is, donald trump's character is right where it needs to be and people can never forget, of all the things that has happened with him and he is not fit for oval office. so, i put tim walz and, hairs --kamala harris against those two guys any day of the week.
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>> so, you mentioned that moment yesterday, i think it is worth taking a look at where she talks about some of the issues that will go to the courts, versus the ultimate decision being made. take a look. >> as attorney general, i held the big wall street banks accountable for fraud. well, donald trump was just found guilty of fraud. 34 counts to be exact. [ crowd chanting ] >> lock him up! >> hold on. hold on. here is the thing, the courts will handle that, we go and beat him in november. >> so, you know we watch that and we also remember, and we will probably see again donald trump valley to pardon criminals , especially those who rioted at our country's capitol, and vandalized it, and injured
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people. and there were people who lost their lives, and it was a horrific day. and yet, the former president is vowing to set them free and calls them hostages. there again is another contrast. >> yeah, and thanks for your time this morning. i think we sort of started the negatives about the trump and j.d. vance campaign so far, because this week for democrat so far has been me not to overuse this word, such a joyful one. wondering how much behind-the- scenes has there been thought and discussions about how to potentially handle a redo of 2020, where we are seeing the presidential nominee who lost the campaign, challenge the results, and start a coup at
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the u.s. capitol january 6th. is that something you guys, that lawyers on the campaign are already trying to come up with some sort of strategy towards? >> first of all, the vice president can handle this without much help here and she will remind people that when donald trump was president, this country was chaos. everything donald trump turns to dirt. it was a terrible time. we went through one of the most incredible economic declines, and of course we had chaos with the way he handled covid because he asked people to drink bleach and she and president biden had to pull everybody out of that and put us in the position we are in now. we had a very clear contrast between the past and future about whether you want to go dark, which is everything donald trump does, whether or not you want to have a future full of optimism and joy i think is a great word, because you can see this in tim walz, and you can see this in the vice president. i think you will agree with me
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that her presentations the last few days have been nothing but spectacular. and i think she had a the crowd most important thing with great wisdom. listen, i have the character to be the president of the united states. donald trump's team, every time he said something about a democrat, they yelled, locked him up. what she said yesterday, we believe in a nation of laws where nobody is above the law. let the court system take care of that, what i will do is beat donald trump on election day and what you need to do is go out and vote and make sure he never gets within 100 feet of the oval office ever again. >> national cochair for the harris-walz campaign , thank you for being here. good to have you. the trump campaign has tried to go after governor tim walz in response to the riots in minneapolis in the aftermath of the 2020 martyr of george floyd. despite that criticism, then president trump said, he was quote, very happy with governor walz handling of the situation at the time.
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he said it in real time. trump posted this on social media yesterday with the text, tim walz let minnesota bird, kamala harris bailed out the ones who did the matches. but hours later, audio surfaced of a phone call between then president trump and u.s. governors on june 1st 2020, in which trump praises walz for his response to the riots, and his activation of the national guard. take a listen to this. >> i know governor walz is on the phone. we spoke and i totally agreed with the way he handled it the last couple of days. so, the best example, in fact i alluded to it a couple of seconds ago, is minneapolis. it was incredible what happened in the state of minnesota. two days, three days later, i spoke with the governor on the call, i think he is an excellent guide
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. all of a sudden, i said, you've got to use the national guard and think numbers. they did not at first, and then they did. i don't know what it was, it was the third night, fourth night, those guys walked through that stuff like it was butter here they walked right through and you have not had any problems since. >> then president trump did not call for the national guard to be activated until may 29th, 2020, the day after walz activated the national guard. the trump campaign issued a statement to nbc news written in part quote, in this daily briefing with governors, president trump acknowledged governor walz worker finally taking action to deploy the national guard to end the violence in the city. let's bring in senior political columnist, jonathan mayer. i do think that the harris-walz campaign was preparing for this . i think there was a lot of discussion about bringing in the national guard. as you can
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see, donald trump is on record praising him. i wonder if that sort of makes their criticism a little flat? >> it is a strong push back from governor walz max, when you have audiotape of the president praising you for what he is now criticizing you for. that is pretty straightforward. i vividly recall those conference calls with the governors, mika from summer 2020. some of that audio got out in real time. we actually reported some of it and these conversations very much did happen with trump. this is classic trump. when people are next to him, in front of him, in the room with him, he typically is lavishing praise. he wants to be there buddy and he wants them to like him. that is classic trump. that is how he operates. obviously, down the road, when it is politically advantageous, he wants to say something different. this is standard issue donald trump here the
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challenge here, mika, is that he is on tape. this is the challenge with trump . whenever he is on tape saying stuff, it is harder for him to walk it back, because he will try to walk anything back and claim he did not say something. he can't now, because obviously, there is audio of that. >> let's talk your latest piece, in which you co- authored. a revival you did with governor walz a few years back when you were working on your book. the headline is right there, it brought armed people to my house. that is walz talking about being targeted by trump. we certainly live now in an era of escalating political rhetoric and violence, or display just a few weeks ago. tell us more about these conversations? >> alex and i interviewed governor walz for our book around labor day 2021. it was so striking and memorable conversation, precisely because of the headline you just put up there that january 6, we all
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remember that is happening in the u.s. capital of the awful events taking place in the capitol and what is less known, but important for history is that governors around the country and governors at state capitals had escalated security threats, and sometimes were scared for their security and their families security. this was a sort of national chain of events, frankly. governor walz told us, he was concerned for his son's safety that day. i think it sort of shows just how close we came frankly to facing even worse political violence that day. we put some of that in our book, "this will not pass." you guys can buy today at amazon.com. a lot of it was not in the book. we posted a long q&a yesterday that folks can read. we will be right back with much more "morning joe weekend." clear back
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it's all good. it's all good. i'm here because we believe in democracy. everyone's voice matters, but i am speaking now. i am speaking now. you know what, if you want donald trump to win, then you say that, otherwise, i'm speaking. >> okay, i did not see that coming. pretty good. joining us now, democratic senator debbie stabenow of michigan, who spoke at the rally last night, that is a dicey moment. how do you think she handled that? >> first of all, mika, it is always great to be with you. i have to say, it was so impressive. i was behind the stage actually with tim walz at the time, a group of us, and we were
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watching on screen and we could not hear exactly what was being said by folks in the crowd, but we heard her response thing, people have the right to speak. we heard something else. when she did that, and the look on her face was priceless, actually. and i turned to tim walz and said, you don't want to ever do anything to cause that face. we were all just like, wow. what a powerful, powerful moment. not easy when you are standing in front of over 15,000 people and something like that happens, but i thought she was magnificent. >> senator, what the protesters were shouting at the vice president, because it is tough to hear on the audio is, you can't hide, committing genocide. we know the vice president have condemned some of the civilian casualties there in gaza, but it is clear, the war in the middle east has dawned this white house. there are certainly expectations
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that there will be significant protests, perhaps at the convention in chicago in just two weeks time. how concerned are you that this could be a real issue, particularly in your home state of michigan, which features such a large arab american, muslim american population, and many of those people are so deeply paid by what is happening in gaza? >> that is an important question because frankly, we are all pained, we are all pained about the loss of life. there needs to be cease-fire and a peace agreement, which is what president biden and vice president pairs are working towards. we need to be respectful of everyone. what has been happening is absolutely horrible, no question about it. i think the vice president has reflected that in her comments over and over. i will also say, though, that
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there were many of us that spoke, a number of us that spoke as elected officials who all feel the same general feeling about ringing the hostages home, cease-fire, certainly supporting israel's self-defense, but-- against hamas, but at the same time, standing up against the loss of life. the only time this happened at all, the interruption at all, was at a moment that she was speaking in, not for me, not for the governor, not for anyone else. it was not a general theme, is what i am saying. the larger group, i mean everyone supports our tickets and want them to win. even when the group spoke up, which they have every right to do, they were overwhelmed by people saying, we don't want to go back, we don't want to go back, basically supporting her. so, it is very important, but it is only one piece of michigan , the complexity of michigan.
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this is the sixth time she's come back to the state just this year, which is amazing. i do have to get it, if you want to make an entrance, do it on air force to. i have never seen an entrance like that. it was masterful and the crowd really went wild. >> hey, senator. i want to pivot a little to your personal story and where you are in your career now. you are retiring from the senate where the median age is almost 66 years old. congressman is running to replace against you against congressman mike rogers. a few weeks ago, had mentioned on a call with donors that you are doing a radical thing by passing the torch. joe biden thereafter shortly followed your path.
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i am wondering if you can talk a little about the decision- making process and whether you have any advice to some of your fellow colleagues in the senate about whether they should do the same? >> first, i have to say, i am so proud of elissa slotkin, who is going to win my seat, which is very exciting. she won by well over 75% in her contested primary and i am very excited about that. for me, i just think it is very important to know when to pass the torch both for personal reasons it was important to me. my mom is 98. i have got grandkids i want to spend more time with. i also think that we are at a time when we need more ideas, new energy. i think that what the president did was very courageous. i think it is important to be able to make those decisions. the president called me the day after he had made that decision
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and said, you and i are both retiring at the end of the year we will hold hands and run through the tape. we would be better off, each of us, taking a look at that and making that kind of decision. >> senator debbie stabenow of michigan, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. next, what is behind one of donald trump's most off the rails social truth posts in recent weeks. . should screen for colon cancer. these folks are getting it done at home with me, cologuard. cologuard is a one-of-a-kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45+ at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. i did it my way.
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as you can tell. thanks to golo and release, i've got my life and my health back. generally, we do not bother to read the former president donald trump's deranged post on social media, but this one is so unstable and so unhinged, it is important that americans noticed out imbalanced the republican nominee is. so, here goes. trump rights in full quote, this is the most radical left duo in american
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history. there has never been anything like it, and there never will be again. crazy is indeed crazy. i hear there is a big movement to bring back crooked joe. what are the chances that crooked joe biden, the worst president in the history of american history, the presidency that was unconstitutionally stolen from him by barack obama, crazy nancy pelosi, shifty adam schiff, and others on the lunatic left, crushes the democratic national convention and challenges me to another debate. he feels that he made a historically tragic mistake by handing over the u.s. presidency, a group to the people of the world, he wants hates, and he wanted back now. >> so, charlie, campaigns are about contrast. that is exactly what i was
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saying before. there are issues to after tim walz on if you are a conservative. and yet, donald trump is a "wall street journal" editorial page always says, never provides that space, because he is always, always doing things like that. but what a split screen if you are a suburban voter outside of milwaukee, outside of detroit, outside of atlanta, if you are on the northern suburbs of atlanta and did not vote for trump in 2020, but you think you might be 2024, there is your split screen. look at him smiling on stage. look at the screaming crowds. it looks like winners. i would say is a republican, you a former republican, i.e. a former republican, i am not used to democrats looking like winners. they are usually in a crouched position, usually scared of
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their own shadow, with the exception being barack obama. , the visuals yesterday, beck appeared with donald trump's lowly rants on truth social, that is a striking contrast, is it not for voters? >> it is, and it is important context. you look at the walls, and he is not a scary guy. i was looking at what it is about him that is hitting me. i know this guy. a lot of people in places like wisconsin, they know that god here they had their guy as their coach. they know him from down the street. he talks like them. you may disagree with policy, but he will explain in terms you understand. i am so glad you brought up this post by donald trump, because it is gibbering nonsense. can we just say it? this man is not well. while we are talking about the policies of the democratic ticket, take
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a deep breath and recognize the former president of the united states is having this cognitive mental breakdown in real-time, it played the. what is that paranoiac moderate he is going on about, and this new nickname , that is not a typo. kamabla? what does he think he is doing? this is a guy that was once the master right, i never bought it, would come up with the names . he doesn't have that touch anymore. it feels like the old guy is reaching back, throwing spaghetti and catch up against the wall. i am guessing that most people are looking at that sweet going, are they going to get this guy help? is there something going on with him? this certainly does not sound like somebody who is doing well, or is feeling confident.
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whatever concerns you might have about the democratic ticket, this is important to sort of take a deep breath and say, meanwhile, over here, the former president of the united states is losing his freaking mind. coming up, the lasting effects of the supreme court's decision more than a decade ago that gutted the voting rights act and how it could play a role in the upcoming election. punch buggy red. ♪ even say why ♪ ♪ i am, i said ♪ ♪ ♪ what causes a curve down there? is it peyronie's disease? will it get worse? how common is it? who can i talk to? can this be treated? stop typing. start talking to a specialized urologist.
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more than 10 years ago, the supreme court handed down a decision that would fundamentally change the voting rights act. in shelby county versus holder, the high court ruled section 5 of the landmark legislation was unconstitutional. that portion of the law focused on requiring states with a history of racial discrimination and voting practices to submit any proposed changes to the federal government for approval. in the ruling, chief justice john roberts argued, the protections were no longer necessary in modern day america. today, we are seeing the affect of that decision in real-time. the study released earlier this year shows the gap and turnout rates between white and nonwhite voters has grown almost twice as quickly in areas that section 5 covered,
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compared to other parts of the country. joining us now, former editor in chief of "salon," david daily. his new book is entitled, quote, antidemocratic inside the far right's fifty-year plot to control american elections. >> david, thank you for being here. i think of that ruling also, chief justice roberts said, if congress wanted to make any adjustments, any corrections, add anything, obviously, they could do that and at this point the court was passing congress, what we have seen from republicans over the past two, three years especially block the john lewis voting rights act, and block other voting rights act that would actually remedy the disparity here, right? >> i think that is exactly right . what is so interesting about the chief justice's decision in the shelby county case, is that, he passes it back to congress, but congress just seven years earlier had 390-33
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vote in the u.s. house controlled by republicans at the time, and a 98-0 vote in the u.s. senate, reauthorized the voting rights act was signed by president george w. bush, off of a 16,000 page congressional record, 21 hearings that detailed, ingrate specificities, the continued need for clearance, not in 1955, not in 1965, but in towns and cities and localities across the area, elections were being counseled when it looked as if a black candidate might go ahead and win them. instead, the chief justice effectively said, he would be an umpire who called balls and strikes. in this case, he tossed out the rulebook. he ignored everything congress had done just seven years earlier, and effectively went on fives and made his own standard. he claimed that there was equal
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sovereignty amongst states and that this was a made up statue, that roberts fashioned by taking a different decision by the court, editing out the part he doesn't like, and making it say the opposite. he would have gotten an f on a high school term paper for the work he did, and instead, the consequences were effectively cutting the most effective piece of civil rights legislation this country has ever seen. >> one of the interesting things about this legislation, you tell the story about this particular act you just described. the voting rights act was passed in 1965, 15 years after ronald reagan is elected. you have this debate around reauthorization. in some ways, reagan says, i will sign it, but we have got to get rid of section 5 or something like that. tell the story about a young john roberts in this moment in the reagan administration, and this long story about how we arrived at the shelby decision,
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and how we have arrived at this moment in our country's history around voting. >> you are exactly right. it has been a very patient, long game john roberts has played. this has been his life's work. john roberts arrives in the reagan doj 1981, 1982, fresh off a clerkship at the u.s. supreme court with william rehnquist, of course, has his own history with personally suppressing votes in arizona back in his youth and john roberts is thirst immediately into this debate over the reauthorization of the voting rights act of 1982. there is a case out of alabama called mobility about, a lot of case a lot of people don't think about. the supreme court in 1980, in many ways, had begun chipping away at the voting rights act and the power of the reconstruction amendments. democrats and republicans in congress working together were trying to fix that in the 1982
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reauthorization. their opponents was 26, 27-year- old john roberts who from his desk at the department of justice, is basically guiding the entire republican strategy inside doj to try and prevent that supreme court case from the 1980 effectively being reversed in the 1982 reauthorization. there are memos , and memos, and draft emails, and the talking points, and the op-ed's he has written, robert is running this behind-the- scenes. they do not win in this case. the voting rights act is reauthorized. and yet, the lesson of this is that, if republicans and conservatives within the conservative legal movement want to change the voting rights act, they are not going to be able to do so
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through the political process. the way to do this is not by winning 218 votes in the house or 51 in the senate, is to capture five votes on the u.s. supreme court, and they go about making that happen. >> david, given the dedication to disruption quite successful, and the remnants of the old republican party in the existence of today's supreme court, do we have a lot to fear this coming fall if trump loses and takes everything to court again? >> i think we do. and i think there is a lot here that is really worrisome. what keeps me up at night would be a repeat of bush versus gore in 2000, in which one or two states are super duper close in which there is some sort of certification chicanery, in which there is ongoing litigation during that six week
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period during election day, and with the electoral college meets. listen, on election day, about 180 billion of us are going to vote if this winds up before the u.s. supreme court, which all you have to do is look at the 75 cases that the rnc is involved in it about two dozen states. they are patiently laying the groundwork for that six period. it will not be 180 million of us deciding who the next president is, it's going to be the nine members of the u.s. supreme court. six of them effectively picked by leonard leo, vetted by the federalist society, three of them who worked on the bush versus gore case in 2000. john roberts, justice barrett, and justice cavanaugh. there is a lot to work about here. bush versus gore was effectively proof of concept for the republican strategy to capture america through the judiciary. chief justice
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roberts in many ways has been the most effective republican politician of his generation. >> wow. you know, there was a striking scene during madeleine albright's funeral. it was a shot, i believe, of the first row. you had bill clinton, al gore, and hillary clinton, and barack obama there. who sat there and looked at the picture and said, you know, right there, you have had the people that got the most votes in every election since 1992, other than 2004. john kerry was actually 2004. but the supreme court is dominated by people who have been appointed by presidents,
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will get got into the white house after losing the popular vote. i understand our system. i understand what we have. but again, you would think that a court, selected the way this would have been selected, also after merrick garland was not even given a hearing, and then the rules that they passed made up for him, they took away for amy coney barrett. this would not be the sort of court, this is not conservative, this sort of court that would so freely ever turn voting rights rules, and so freely overturn a woman's right to choose. next, the co-creators of hp's hit series, "industry" as it prepares to kick off its third season tomorrow. ird seas. any sub any size.
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the contract on this place is simple. as long as i am making money, i am free. >> are you a worker? >> i am a worker. >> i had a wrecking ball in that seat and i would just as quickly form another. >> your boss called us nine times. either he really can't stand you, or he does not want anyone else to have you, which is it? >> that was a look at the upcoming third season of hbo's critically acclaimed drama, "industry." from hearing this sunday, the new season gets talented analyst, harper stern, against her former colleagues after she was fired last season, when her boss learned she had lied her way into london's finance world . joining us now, the show's co- creators, konrad kay and debby for , and myha'la who stars as
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harper in the show. conrad, i am wondering, where you in the initial pitch meeting for "industry? i want to know what the pitch was, and three seasons in, what it has become. >> me and mickey have known each other since we were young. we met at college. we would shamelessly chewed up and spit out by the finance industry. when we came to hbo, we were huge fans of finance literature, finance movies. we had never seen our experience rendered authentically on the screen. a bombed out version of that world, starting with people who don't have power, but are looking to accrue it. the lens is screwed really young. >> myha'la, you were cast after they have 300 interviews in total ? >> is that right? >> you guys have not told her that? was she 301, or 299? you went to carnegie mellon here
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, and you lived in brooklyn. how do you get into the role of playing an insert, an analyst at this big financial house in london? >> surprisingly, as i have learned getting to play this part and be introduced to the world of finance, when you are a young person on the ground floor, trying to sort of make your way, it is not terribly similar to being an actress. you are knocking down doors, pitting yourselves to casting directors, whatever. what harper gets to london, it is the thing that will change your life forever, dreams come true. that is exactly what happened with me in this show. >> you are putting the show together with your partner, you both have a background in finance? >> macron is a big word. we did not finance.
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>> you once worked there? what kinds of things did you take from your experience, probably bad, that brought you to this? >> renderings of finance have always been from the top down. ours was going in with power, in my experience, very little knowledge. >> like most anchors. >> that was our experience. the first had a very narrow lens him about the subjective experience of the analyst and the things that they cared about . in seasons two and three, we expanded massively as the analyst have more responsibility, the stakes are higher. >> let's take a look at a clip where myha'la's character works to get herself back into the
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fold of london's ynez world here take a look. >> hi, can i help you? >> i was hoping you would indulge me and allow me to finish my earlier thought. >> i'm listening. >> ethical investing is a fad. everybody and their snotty brother claim to bes g. the assets that qualify as it are so good, the evaluations are making them stupid investments now come anyway. not to mention, macro headwinds, the election, lack of nearsighted investment in fossil fuels. literally, it is like a utopian opioid for morons who believe in a better world. >> myha'la, tell me first of all how you connect with your character beyond parallels, to your work -like situation and working in finance, also to what do you put the success of
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this series so far? what is it do you think that is drawing people in? >> oh gosh. i think our show, as singular and specific as it is, as niche to mostly people in the finance industry as it is, it is relatable to anyone who has ever wanted something. that is how i connect with my character in the show. i am incredibly ambitious. i have really big dreams. harper has really big dreams and she is willing to achieve them by any means necessary. they have all come to this place in hopes that they are entering an autocracy that they can prove themselves, regardless of their background, their race, economic status, and make something of themselves. i think anyone who has had a temp job, worked in a mailroom, or is a desk assistant, can
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relate to the struggle of wanting to make something of themselves. >> to drive forward. the third season of "industry" premieres this sunday at 7:00 on hbo. mickey down, konrad kay, and myha'la , thank you. congratulations on "industry." more of the week's best newsmakers and discussions after a quick break. k break.
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it's now 7:00 on the east coast. we have lots more to show you. let's jump right in. >> when people find out about her, i think she will be much less. to see it right now. i see her going way down in the polls now. now the people are finding out she destroyed san francisco and destroyed the state of california along with governor nast -- governor gavin newsom. >> that donald trump at his news conference yesterday attacking kamala harris. called her stupid. a woman who was a prosecutor, was elected attorney general and in the most populous state in america. united states senator, vice president of the united states. and stupid is not really the word most people what attached to her. in fact, nobody would attach
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that word to kamala harris that i know. and it's just -- again. all of these attacks, all the attacks have just collapsed. yes, tim walz governed as a moderate in congress, according to most bios and you look at his positions. and as a progressive, in many ways, up in minnesota in the governor's mansion. but, again, radical positions, as he says. a lot of attacks come from breakfast program for hungry kids at school. lunch program for hungry kids at school. and if they want to get at these two, this is just not the way to do it. i mean, this is, again, calling
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them stupid and all the other things just isn't working for donald trump. and we will talk to anthony scaramucci in a second, who knows donald trump very well and is known for a long time. and it was kind of like j.d. vance running after air force to a couple of days ago. all of this smacks of desperation. >> desperation and panic. it can't be said enough. this is not the race donald trump thought he would have and his team spent more than a year building a campaign to take on president biden with the essential argument that biden was too old and feeble and weak to be president for another four years and in the last three weeks, biden stepped away and harris has had this incredible surge of momentum and money and crowds. trump and his team are simply flailing. they have not been able to land any punches on her at all.
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there are some foldable itches, perhaps like immigration, where he can't stay focused on. we know with governor walz, there was thought they would try to use his response to the black lives matter protests in 2020 as an argument. it is since been revealed in an audiotape that trump back then praised his response so that's been debunked as well and the questions about his military service, they haven't really gained traction most attacks of embattled faith. >> and if you look at the wall street journal this morning, the wall street journal editorial page is quoting the new york sun saying that any attack on his military service is thin gruel. that it's just an attack -- and they say this while defending the swiftboat of john kerry saying that was fair game. but even the wall street journal editorial page this is just not fair game and republicans, if they want to beat walz -- they say there are plenty of reasons to criticize democratic vice presidential candidate tim walz and we told
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you several but the charges leveled so far about his military service looks like thin gruel. and they go on to explain why. again, it's a nonsensical argument. so the two things the trump campaign led with, which was the military service and, you know, j.d. vance lying and talking about stolen valor, for a guy that served as long as he did in the united states military, as the wall street journal editorial page, is off-base. the one argument which is off base. and then of course the other argument that you just mentioned. it's just these approaches that are sort of out of the gate. just not working for them. >> yeah. both vance and walz served and deserve thanks for that and talk about military service. can't help but donald trump
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dodged doing so claiming he had bone spurs and later when asked could not remember what foot the bone spurs were in. so that shows, again, sort of a incoherence to this attack. even last week there was this joy, joy from republicans that the stock market was taking because they thought that means the economy will rattle pick the market has settled and there may be tumultuous times ahead but it shows again they are still searching for something to go after the democrats event and they haven't found it. contrast that with huge crowds following harris and walz, but a more coherent message and a joyful one. americans simply want to feel good about the politics again and it seems to be connect. >> a joyful one and, john heilman, going back to peggy noonan and peggy's column this morning may answer the question i'm going to ask you when she says, mr. trump spent less than a week having what a gop
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strategist told politico as a public nervous breakdown. for the first time this week, peggy writes, i thought we were wondering about the impact of mr. trump's age. he is 78. he hasn't been able to focus. he hasn't been able to make his case. is he and another irony of 2024 turning into joe biden? we should be so lucky if he were turning into joe biden. i guess the better way, to put that in my terms is, is he now going to be a got it will be judged as too old for the campaign for the presidency? and the question that you raised with me off-line is this -- why is it that donald trump has only done one swing state rally in the past six days, and how many has he done since the convention? why? is he afraid that the
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crowds are going to continue to decrease and the kamala crowds will continue to increase? why is he afraid to go out there? >> yeah. we have been trying to count. i, right now without having a comprehensive calendar, count three. it's now three weeks since the republican convention. he did that in grand rapids, i believe. an event in harrisburg, pennsylvania. and this event last week in atlanta. i'm not going to say that's a definitive full count but that's three in three weeks. normally, as you know, after a political presidential candidate's convention, it's the customary thing to barn strum the country i can tell you the number of conventions i have been to that the day after you ride the wave of your
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successfully orchestrated convention and you head out on a barnstorming tour through the battleground states pick you and your running mate or you and your running mate split up depending on when your running mate was announced. but that's one of the things -- speaking of momentum. one of the things a candidate does. you expect that from a nominee. instead we saw is successful republican convention with the exception of trump's terrible acceptance speech but then the republicans wrote out of that convention in a state of joy about one of the most successful republican convention in recent memory from the standpoint of party unity and people feeling good about where things were. we know what happened shortly thereafter, which is joe biden decided to bow out and change the dynamics of the race but that does not explain why donald trump, who feeds off of crowds, white he excites his crowds over again and draw so much energy from appearing live. we all think his speeches are meandering and it's another grateful dead concert where people were here deep cuts in all the stuff he does but the
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welcome back to morning joe weekend. let's pick back up on the conversation we were having before the break . >> let's talk about that more. staff writer for the new yorker susan glass a national report of the new york times, jeremy peterson. and the co-host for the podcast , founder and managing partner at sky ridge capital, anthony scaramucci. by the way, your podcast is number one in all of podcasts in the uk. i suspect sometime soon they will be coming to america to play the ed sullivan show and
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this whole thing will go very international. it is an extraordinary podcast. i love it. and talk about a podcast that fits the time. this is it. anthony, you know donald trump very well. maybe you can help us out, again, peggy noonan talk this morning about a public nervous breakdown over the past week citing other gop sources. what do you see. again, as someone who knows donald trump very well and has for a long time, what do you see happening there? >> well, joe, you're on the surface area of what is going wrong for him. he doesn't want to go out there because his crowd sizes may be smaller than hers and he doesn't want that media catastrophe. he doesn't want to go out there because he hasn't gotten the messaging right. the demography has changed. 20.2 baby boomers have died since he won the last election
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in 2016 and we've got 40 million generation x who have risen into the polling ranks so he doesn't have the message right. if he is calling her names it sounds like he has racist overtones and it's not working. and the last thing which is the most important thing, he is super, added staff members. he is been sitting there at mar- a-lago calling around to all staff members complaining about new staff members. project 2025 has really hurt him because 75, 80 people into the project. it wasn't polling well so he said, i don't really know these people and he pulled the rug out from under them. it's a little bit of a civil war going on inside the campaign. yesterday, as the alpha male, let me show you how it's done. 93 lathering minutes and is now in retreat again. it's going to be hard for him because he is not the man for this moment.
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kamala harris is the woman for this moment and we have to see if she can execute her campaign against him now. >> anthony, let's talk about age. not your age. you are very young. we look at this ticket and we got kamala harris, tim walz, actually you and me are all the same year, born in the same year of 1964 to >> you hurt my feelings. it's all right. >> were not going for any chins. don't worry. look. then you've got donald trump and suddenly he looks like the old guy on the ticket. you know him. how much of that change dynamic is bothering him at the moment? >> really bothering him because he wanted to be positioned as the energetic person. he wanted to be positioned as, i'm your savior coming back into this thing.
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and he's got very good political instincts pick whether you like or dislike him, he's now looking at her and saying, wait a minute. she looks like a beautiful, colorful mosaic of this country. she could pull in apathetic voters and pull in people in the don't vote, just like barack obama did, and she could overwhelm me. he knows he has a high floor but a low ceiling. he knows he is at 47.5% if everything goes well. and she has unlimited upside pick so yes , it's the age but also the moment and also the complexity of the selection and the change in demography that he's not sure he can handle. an 81-year-old having a hard time putting sentences together , and god bless joe biden he is an american patriot, but those of the facts and unfortunately we are all heading that way. that was an easier race than this one. and joe said something i want to touch on because i know sometimes we see donald trump as indestructible, but he did have a bullet come and god for
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bid, it was a tragic situation, whizzed by his head. it would be impossible to imagine that has had no psychological impact on him. i believe that's also affecting. >> jeremy, given that, and i certainly respect the fact that he could be reacting to the assassination. you do not just walk away from an attempt on your life. i can relate to that. but at the same time, he cannot seemingly come with his old playbook effectively against kamala harris. and that is race. as someone who has fought him for 35 years or more, he always knows to go to the race card and he has tried to do this in this race with kamala harris. he said she did not act black and she was indian until she turned black lately, and all of that. and she's not gone back pick she has stayed on the issues. she has not engaged him in his
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attempt to make race a factor here. she has answered it and moved on. how do you think that has affected him in terms of his candidacy, in terms of the strategy because race is always something he has used when nothing else works. >> when his opponents don't take his bait, that's when he always kind of flounders the most. and i think jonathan was exactly right. this is a totally incoherent response to kamala harris. he has not been able to land a punch. his superpower has always been coming up with these belittling nicknames. little marco and crooked hillary and lying ted and pocahontas. and they stick. we remember them all. he has cast about for an attack that could land like that, and it just hasn't worked. and race is a complicating factor here because when he
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does use some of his old playbook, as we saw him do it last week at the conference of black journalists, it sounds really tone deaf and offensive. much more so than it did -- >> and it backfired. >> and it backfired. voters -- we at the times that a story on this a few days ago about the role that racial identity, identity politics in general, is playing in the 2024 election. and the answer we found is not as much as it did in 2020 we interviewed voters across the country and asked them about kamala harris is barrier breaking status as a candidate. and they said basically the same thing that she said, which is, it doesn't really -- it's a cherry on top and a bonus but what i'm interested in is what this candidate can do for me. kamala harris has been very careful. and this isn't a strategic thing with her. i think this actually comes from who she is.
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she has been very circumspect in talking about her identity pick she's given interviews before was she said you might need to put me in a box. you might need to give me an identity but i know who i am and that's on you if it bothers you that i haven't talked more about my identity as a black woman, as an indian woman, as a woman. two. and voters have told us that they are just not as interested in hearing about identity politics anymore. >> look at these images we are putting up of kamala harris and tim walz, and that of donald trump and j.d. vance. and, you know, i've said time and again on this show, because it's what i've learned across my life following politics that americans are not overly ideological. i said early on, i was
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surprised that americans aren't as ideological as i am are as ideological as most people who follow politics every day. so much of it does have to do with style. look at jfk in 1960. look at ronald reagan in 1980. i remember reagan was called a right wing extremist time and time again. had a nickname that i remember, the fascist gun in the west. he was seen as taking the republican party off the deep end far right. and yet, when he won, i believe it was a newsweek cover or time, they had reagan's huge smile and what was the headline? it wasn't about ideological revolution. it wasn't about the dawn of a new era of governance, which actually i would say we are still in, an era defined by the
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parameters first set by ronald reagan in 1980. but the headline was that winning smile. and it was reagan's smile. ronald reagan's optimism pick democrats i knew at the time talking about reagan. he looks positive. it was such a marked contrast to what many people defined as the malaise of the final carter years. i think you are seeing the same thing here. this is, as peggy said, this is a movement that has been in search of somebody, and they found that somebody with kamala harris. and right now we're only two or three weeks in, but right now, the shift has been about as dramatic as a political shift as anybody could've imagined. >> it's a great point about reagan. there was all this fear in 1980 that he cannot be trusted with the button pick he was a
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fascist and radical and projected optimism and one voters over and then we have the whole morning in america campaign after that. we are seeing that. the split screen is so stark. kamala harris is not only 20 years younger than donald trump but she projects younger than that and she's smiling and happy and laughing and leaning into it. earlier people thought her laugh could be a liability but that has proven to not be the case. another abandoned republican talking point. while trump is not only older buddies doom and gloom and glowering and painting a very different vision of america and susan glasser, part of that unhappiness, part of that flailing about it trying to figure out how to go after kamala harris is because this is not the campaign donald trump thought he would be having. and i will note that yesterday he even suggested it was unconstitutional that harris ascended to the top of the ticket. that of course is not the case but one wonders if that the ground he will use to try to object to a possible election
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loss come november. and your new piece hits on this exactly what the headline that i would just read because it's perfect. does anyone in america miss joe biden as much as donald trump? [ laughter ] >> i'm glad i got a laugh there. look. first of all, donald trump is not laughing. he doesn't smile, to joe's point. in fact, he is a policy against smiling. he believes that somehow it is his glower come it's the look that he is trying to cultivate. we all watched this press conference yesterday and we've all seen a lot of donald trump press conferences over the years . he is diminished, even for what he was four years ago, nevermind eight years ago. next, missouri's senate candidate and marine veteran lucas kunce has harsh words for his opponent, senator josh hawley. that's next on morning joe weekend. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan.
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missouri's democratic senate primary beating his nearest opponent of the nomination by nearly 45 points. he will now take on incumbent senator, republican, josh hawley emma who congratulated him on his win and challenge them to a debate next week and lucas kunce joins us now, the democratic nominee for senate in missouri. congratulations for being on the show this morning and for winning the primary. so will you debate josh hawley? >> thank you for having me. i'm excited to be here. josh hawley wants to debate at the state fair next week on a thursday morning and we agreed to it. the funny thing is that he doesn't want any moderators. he did not want news cameras or any of that stuff. we have a new station that wants to hosted and moderate and we will be there in the question for us is is he still the coward of january 60 will
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he show up and do this thing and answer the hard questions? >> first of all, you are game to debate and ready to go? >> we signed up for four right now. in fact, we agreed to do one on fox news. the guy does not want to answer questions like why he stole $250,000 from missouri taxpayers by violating ethics laws. he doesn't want to enter questions about why he refuses to protect ivf and contraception. he does not want to answer questions about what he thinks no-fault divorces should no longer be available and people would be stuck in dangerous marriages. we want every missourian to see the contrast between me and him so we signed up and we will keep signing up and see if he shows are not. >> out of the campaign trail, what do you hear about january 6th? there is a lot of disinformation about it, and it's true that donald trump wants to pardon these people.
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you call josh howard in the coward of january 6. what do you mean by that? >> you know. this is what happens when you've got a control freak, power-hungry politicians who only care about power for himself and the real follow-up for him on january 6 is when he thinks it's going to get some power, his out there raising his fist and shaking up a crowd . and then when things get real, he skittered out the back door and runs away. as a marine for 13 years were deployed to iraq and afghanistan, that type of cowardice would have gotten us court-martialed. so i think we are seeing his own unwillingness to answer questions the guy he ran away from the crowd he incited on january 6 pick missourians want to be proud of a u.s. senator and this guy is an embarrassment. >> lucas, good morning. obviously missouri has been a republican state for the last handful of cycles but the presidential race just changed. vice president harris on the ticket and no longer president biden. how does that change things in your state on the ground in
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missouri? how is that impacted democrats you talk to and potentially swing independent voters and some republicans you need to win to capture the senate seat? >> there's a huge amount of energy right now and a couple other things we have going on in missouri is my campaign and we have an abortion petition on the ballot. a constitutional amendment to enshrine the right to abortion and codify roe versus wade this fall. people are super excited to protect the rights and take power from these power, control freak politicians back. one of the things that is exciting for me on my campaign as i'm a kid who grew up in mid- missouri in a working-class neighborhood that my parents had four kids. my little sister was born with a heart condition and you know what happens to working-class families one medical disaster strike. my parents went bankrupt. it was a really hard time pick the reason we made it is not
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because of country club politicians like josh hawley were there for us. it's because the people in that neighborhood who had no more money than we did pass the plate at church for us and brought food by the house and took care of us. i spent my life as a marine trying to pay everybody back. this one is the next step in service and people are hungry for someone ready to serve others and not just themselves. we see that energy in crowds around the state. not just in kansas city and st. louis but aunt dexter and saint joe and paul miro. people are saying is the biggest crowd facing the democrats and some of these areas since 1976. we will win this race and take power back for everyday people from guys who like josh hawley only care about themselves. markets took a dive earlier this week and despite regaining some losses, investors are still nervous. andrew ross sorkin and jen psaki join us on whether the new recession fears are valid. the secret is the powerful ingredient, apoaequorin, originally discovered in jellyfish and found only in prevagen. in a clinical study,
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jpmorgan ceo jamie diamond said he believes a recession still looms on the horizon and is skeptical about the federal reserve's ability to lower inflation to its target of 2%. let's bring in co-anchor of cnbc squawk box and columnist for the new york times, andrew ross sorkin. what more is he saying and what can you glean from it? timing? severity? how concerned should people be >> the truth is the risks have gone up. what you see jpmorgan saying is
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the risks have gone from what they were determining as a 25% risk of a recession by the end of the year. now think that risk is a 35% chance. of course, this still leaves a 65% chance there is not a recession but i should say this comes after goldman sachs last week also increased its risk of a recession now in their mind up to 25%. i think all of the signs are just suggesting that things are getting a little bit more nerve-racking and is not necessarily the coast is clear situation. a lot of this will be determined by what the federal reserve does come september, and even beyond september. we talked about the pressure rj powell to lower interest rates does he lower interest rates by 25 basis points or by 50 basis points? there some worry that if he lowers them at 50 basis points, you would think that would be good, well, that would be a signal to the markets that he thinks the economy is in worse shape. we will be watching all of this
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today. we have jobless claims numbers that came in better than expected. we had these not so great to unemployment numbers that came in earlier last week come higher than we thought. now, these numbers coming are better than we thought. a little bit, if look to the numbers, indicating that maybe some of the increased joblessness is a function of the weather over the summer. we had hurricane burrell and that seem to create problems but those are temporary problems and that was a shutdown in the auto industry for a portion of time. it could be maybe the numbers get better. all of this is put into a stew of what i think is called uncertainty and that's the technical term and that's where we are. >> so before we get to disney and mehta and teens for, to ask jen psaki about the politics of this andrew use the word uncertainty as a way to sum it up. how does the harris-walz campaign deal with that as they
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are, what, less than three months from election day? because the economy can play a huge role on decision-making here. >> no question and there always developments and events, as we know, that happened in august, september and october that impact the election and this could be one of them. they can control this. neither of them can pick what i think they can do from a messaging perspective which is all president biden due to it some degree, is make the message centered and how they are fighting for working people. it's not about the markets. it's not about exactly the data. but it's more about how their policies are for the people sitting at home, who are feeling uncertain, who are worried, who are concerned that the challenge here is obvious. vice president harris is in the white house but i think that contrasting message is the core message for them for the remaining months, regardless of where the data is. coming up.
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joining us now, the national global correspondent at politico, meridith mcgraw. her new book out now is titled "trump in exile" and in it she chronicles the former president 's political comeback from being a pariah at the january 6 insurrection and his second impeachment, to becoming the gop presidential nominee once again here today for coming on the show. congratulations on the book. and given how charlie framed it in his last post, how the former president is behaving, what more can you tell us about his post-presidency? >> well, i really think this
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book is essential to understanding how we got here and this moment in history. and, you know, where trump is. i spent time after trump left the white house covering him for politico, but for this book i talked to former aides and advisers and lawmakers about his time out of office. and everything from the team around him and how they crafted his political endorsements and fundraisers to how they prepared for this next run for the white house. and as you see him post on truth social, as you saw about this new harris- walz ticket, i think there's a lot in here that underscores his mind-set as we go into this 2024 election. >> so, meredith, he spent a lot of time thinking about and writing about and dwelling on donald j trump. with regard to the truth social that joe read, i'm wondering --
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trump is in a sense, because he's a former president, isolated a lot from ordinary people. grocery shopping and things like that. ordinary people. is the isolation and donald trump part of what prevents him from talking about the future and restricts them to talking about the past, which is filled with grievance, hatred, unrest, internal unrest in trump himself? is that part of what's going on here? >> you know, i think that's an interesting observation. when he left the white house, his isolation helped him in some ways. i think mar-a-lago, and i think the people who surrounded him, i think that formed a cocoon around him and that, i think, fueled his political comeback, if you will, in some ways. and in this moment, i think he is hyperaware of the political
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risks involved at this moment. and you see how tight things are in the polls. you saw how the harris-walz campaign is getting on truth social and talking about crowd sizes. and he, i think, there really is an understanding of the risks for him going into the election. >> how much do his legal problems, and there were many, factor into his decision- making? >> i think it definitely played a role in his running in 2024. he had already made up his mind that he would run in 2024 before the raid in mar-a-lago, for example. but i definitely think it emboldens him. it's about proving he can win again. i think more than anything that
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revealing look inside a different type of evangelical religious community. it's titled circle of hope, reckoning with love, power and justice in an american church, and a pol is a unique progressive evangelical church called the circle of hope out of philadelphia. it tells the story of how the internal divisions and ideological infighting eventually tore the church apart . let's bring in the author, pulitzer prize-winning journalist, eliza griswold. what makes your books are fascinating, and david french reviewed it in the times, what makes your books are fascinating to me, as we often talk about, david and i grew up in conservative evangelical churches and we talked about over the past 20 years, even predating donald trump, how politics has crowded out the gospel. what we find here in this, what you find in your deep dive in this progressive evangelical church, is the same thing. politics getting in the way of
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the gospel of jesus christ. talk about that, if you will. >> well, joe, first of all, you are exactly right. but we have seen over the past few decades is obviously the hijacking of the jellico listen by republican party operatives and that has led to a lot of what we see in terms of conservative evangelical monolith christianity. but there is another movement at the edge of evangelicalism that is much closer to what evangelicalism was centuries ago , which, yes, it was about personal belief, but also about ringing the kingdom of heaven to earth, right? social justice. whether that was abolishing slavery or ending child labor. so that strain of evangelicalism is alive and well and many pockets all over the united states, and this is one of them. and what happened in the course of this is these guys had to reckon with what it meant to be american at this point in time. >> right. i'm so glad you talk about it and underline it, about evangelicalism pick we think about it as a really
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conservative force now. i can say as someone who grew up in the church and born in the '60s and throughout their '60s and the '70s, so much was a reaction to the cultural revolution of the 1960s, which has defined what christianity has been seen as in america. you bring up a great point. it's also been a liberating force through the years in a way that many people would be shocked, whether you talk about william wilberforce in the 1800s as an evangelical, devoting his entire life to ending slavery there. you look at most of the abolitionists were in the northeast and evangelicals and puritans in the dose from what, 1780 to 1794 through the end of the civil war. so, there is that strain. and also the rise of what i
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called matthew 25 christians. so, yeah, americans don't really understand the history of evangelicalism , do they? >> they don't understand and at this political moment it is so essential because what we see with these other evangelicals is, first of all, the desire they have. a kind of devotion that i grew up as a pastor's get in the episcopal church, which is not have the energy and art of devotion and the giving your life to service of jesus and lots of ways that these guys do pick and what we see in the lead up to november is that these progressive evangelicals, i'm thinking people like bishop barber, for example, are able to mobilize voters and to peel away those -- evangelicals
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uncomfortable with trump. we seen this happen before. they don't really -- reclaiming the bible, reclaiming scripture from those who are showing images of trump as jesus, it's not a hard thing to do. it's much more accurate to read love your enemy in the bible than it is to read, trump is jesus. it's powerful messaging. it's simple messaging, and it's really returning scripture to what it actually says on the page and that is a literal reading. >> isn't that what is really the real dilemma and what were dealing with now? those that are dealing and come out of the civil rights movement when i was growing up, dr. king and others would use scripture to say, this is who we are as christians, as opposed to you come out of the episcopal church and we have bishop hyde here in new york is very much saying there is no separation between how i practice my faith and what i do to help the poor and the migrants and all. and those that are politicizing this, like donald trump with
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evangelicals, who are the opposite of what the bible teaches. so you've got to flip the bible and replace the figures of the bible with these political figures when you don't have to do that on the other side. >> that is exactly right. in the black church, as you know far better than i do, has not have this problem because social justice is an essential part of being a christian. authentically. so what we see does trump has literally said love your enemies. he does not stand by that. he has rejected the teachings of the bible and yet we have people who don't really here and say that. trump has literally said, love r your enemies. he has not stood , by that, he d has projected the teachings of the bible, yet we have people who do not really here and say l that and i think we have people who are beginning to listen. that is it for us this saturday. we are back tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern to highlight more of a the worthy moments. stay with us. next, it is "the weekend." eek good
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